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Kenkesmearse Vindicated; Evidence shows PGH/IMC is Lying.
by n.n.f.f.o.r.o.s.--2
Monday, May. 26, 2003 at 2:56 PM
Kenkesmearse, accused by PGH/IMC editors of posting stories that were "unsubstantiated" and untrue," provides direct evidence of the unethical and "secret " methods that IMC uses to track IPs and squelch the free speech of dissenters.
PLEASE VIEW Ewan Kenkesmearse's latest post. In it he describes in detail the unsavory and embarrassing actions of PGH/IMC.
IN THIS POST, KENKESMEARSE PROVIDES LINKS TO E-MAILS BETWEEN PGH/IMC EDS WHICH OFFERS DIRECT PROOF THAT PGH/IMC IS TRACKING IP NUMBERS AND USING THAT INFORMATION TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO THIS SITE!
READ IT BEFORE THEY DELETE IT !
Appropriate for newswire?
by concerned reader
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 2:05 AM
I think this is a good example of a post which should be hidden. All it is is a reference to someone other poster's [sic?] comment. Seems like this is being done to harass, more than anything else.
yes , of course
by no name
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 1:26 PM
Yes, that's it. Let's HIDE the truth. Deny and discredit, the "proud scatalogical" tradition of PGH/IMC. Shame on you for encouraging oppression!
yes. it is pointless
by ---
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 3:45 PM
can imc please get this garbage off of here? it's ridiculous to have a post like this when the original article it references is still visible on the newsire.
Down with the spam!
agreed
by thugbizzle
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:10 PM
Agreed. This Kenkesmearse guy is crazy.
true
by .
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:12 PM
requiring news to be posted on the news wire is not censorship. And look up the definition of "editor"
This is not a public chatroom, it is a newswire service. It is run by editors whose (volunteer) job it is to screen the news, that is the nature of an editor.
When you just post rants about you being right and others being wrong, that is not news, it should not be on a newswire.
There are plenty of chatrooms and public face-to-face forus fr you to do what you guys obviously want to do, use resources available to you and for their intended purpose. And don't complain when an item that is clearly not 'news' is disallowed from a 'news'wire
Don't hide them,move them
by IMC reader
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 5:12 PM
This issue seems to have enough interest that I wouldnt hide these pieces. This would only stir up the people that think there is some kind of problem with IMC censorship. I would move all of these to one news item, maybe the most recent one by kenkesmearse and then direct everyone to one discussion string. Also, I don't think that this is just one person (or two or three). Someplace in all of this there seems to be a legitimate issue. I think that everyone should be allowed to post to the string if they are interested in this topic. I have to admit, I don't think he/she is crazy since they did a pretty good job of laying out the issues and facts (even if IMC doesnt agree with their accusations). I am concerned about the way that it appears that IMC identified this one user and did something to their computer. What was that all about.
stop whining
by noah pression
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 8:08 PM
while i feel that this guy's posts have no news value they should not be censored (sp?). i feel that pittsburgh's IMC has simply become a political message board for the leftists of the city. lets make it news again! how about some sort of message board is created so that people can talk about what they want to. also i feel that everyone should not jump on someone who posts with different views than you. its all about acceptance, why can't people be free to post what they want, as long as it is news worthy.
IP Tracking
by Dan P.
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 9:04 PM
I have talked to a member of the IMC collective, the person who designed the new method of filtering spam, and he has assured me that they are still not tracking the IPs of users or otherwise keeping logs of information that could be used against various people in court.
The IMC's policy has not changed, they've implemented (in my opinion, technically brilliant) methods of stopping spammers, and have figured out a way to do so without violating the rest of our privacy. Thank you, IMC. Now I think the general consensus of the readers is that this story is of no interest to us, so I hope that "follow-ups" do not make it to the mainpage unless there actually is some sort of real development.
Technical brilliance is an NSA description of how they can spy on you
by IMC Reader
Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 10:41 PM
It seems that the original comment was also about some form of technical intrusion of the computer that kept the person from ever getting on to the IMC site. Doesnt this mean that the person and their computer could be identified whenever they log on? That sort of technology could be used by the police when seeking IMC records. I think that this is a dangerous practice. I am now curious how the editors might define spam. It sounded like this person may not have been spamming in the sense that most of us think about it. Maybe they actually did get misidentified because they were logged on at the wrong time. This technically brilliant solution just might be to difficult to use fairly to be effective. I am beginning to agree with the earlier post by the person who said that IMC is becoming just the private website of a few on Pittsburgh's left. If you don't think this story is news then you might just need to step back for a second. Think about what the editors are doing and how this might just be too zealous an effort to protect IMC for only certain views.
Regarding anti-spam technology and privacy
by Daniel Papasian
Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 1:43 AM
Hi. I don't know if anyone is going to care here, but I'm not a spammer and I'm not the IMC. I'm involved with groups such as Zi and the Progressive Student Alliance of Carnegie Mellon. I know the people in OPTICS, the Pittsburgh Palestine Solidarity Committee, and other groups. I may have met many of you. Many more of you have probably seen me somewhere, whether you know it or not.
I know some people in the IMC editoral collective. I also know and value the fact that I can usually post here somewhat privately; since the whole indymedia-in-court thing I have not used my last name prior to this post.
I was concerned as the next guy over the fact that the IMC may be tracking us. I contacted a friend at the IMC about this issue, and we discussed the anti-spam measures that were in place.
For what it's worth, I can confirm that the IMC does not keep any information on us that could conceivably ever be valuable to anyone looking for information or dirt. The harddrive of every computer that the IMC has could fall into Ashcroft's hands tomorrow, and they wouldn't find anything useful (well, certainly nothinig more 'useful' than browsing the webpage would turn up) They most certainly would not get any IP records, nor would they see who has viewed what articles.
To try to stay one step ahead of these spammers, the technical details of it cannot be released publically. But , for what it's worth, I'm someone who has seen the system and the logs that they take, and they do adhere to their policy and our privacy is protected.
The technology is able to determine who is a spammer, but it does so in a way where absoultely nobody, spammers included, would have their privacy violated. Not like I care about the privacy of those who are trying to ruin this news source for the rest of us.
I AM NOT THE SPAMMER
by Ewan K.
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 10:27 AM
Dan,
I hate spam just as much as the next girl, but what exactly is a "spammer". The Editorial Collective was trying to get rid of someone using the name "2balls" and instead they ended up excluding me and every other person that accesses the web through my ISP. I am not the "2balls" poster (come on, that is not a name I would use). For an update on the abuse of power by the Editorial COllective plese go to http://indypgh.org/news/2003/06/6917.php
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