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TMC Plans for Bush visit
by Tim Vining
Friday July 25, 2003 at 12:05 PM
tmc.director@verizon.net (email address validated)
TMC plans for Bush visit for Pittsburgh Indymedia.
Greet Emperor Bush As He Arrives in Pittsburgh.
Monday, July 28, 2003
Gather at 12 noon
On sidewalk along Penn Ave. near the main entrance.
We have a permit to gather in a visible spot and hold protest signs.
For more information:
http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org
or call 412-361-3022
FIRE THE LIAR!
by Sloganeer
Friday July 25, 2003 at 04:22 PM
FIRE THE LIAR!
cirques freaks
by jonas
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 01:33 AM
joeskillet@yahoo.com (email address NOT validated)
hey everyone,
signs and chanting is cool, but lets bring some entertainment!
we in the cirques against western imperialism are gonna bring our juggles and devil sticks and poi balls and what not. drums, guitars.
so bring your stuff too. if you juggle, bring your balls and pins, if you play music bring your acordians and banjos. lets have fun and make some noise and make it loud enough for our fearless dictator to hear.
peace
Let the Freak Show Begin !!!!
by 2 beers
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 10:28 AM
Oh yeah, those drums and poi balls and devil sticks wreak of credibility and intellect. I am certain everyone will understand the true purpose of your protest .... that you are just a bunch of misfits that hate anything that is not like you. President Bush has the social and political acceptance that you have never known and that infuriates you. Yes, that message will be clear. And yes it will be entertaining to the vast majority of the American people who know that the left is dominated by a multitude of factions without direction and of undetermined purpose.
Poi ball on baby. I hope the police round you up and drop your customed butts in the general population at the county jail. NOW THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT.
FREE THE IMC OPPRESSED !!!! FREE EWAN KENKESMEARSE !!!!!
BUCKET BRIGADE
by ANYONE?
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 11:06 AM
EXACTLY, JONAS - everyone needs to help make some noise. Not everyone plays an instrument but everyone can bring a bucket or pan to bang on. Rise up.
My favorite statement...
by wheatpaster
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 02:39 PM
...ALLTIME on this site is now: "President Bush has the social and political acceptance that you have never known and that infuriates you". Thats it, alright. Bush = Acceptance. Wasn't that his platform for running for President? Must be true then. I'm now going back to the dank cave from which I was just born yesterday. :)
9:45
by Peppy-RPGH
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 04:28 PM
Some lady in my ally who works at the convention center said that he would be arriving around 9:45am. I wish that I could have talked to her, but she was in her suv, and I overheard what she was saying to someone else....sneeky sneeky. Take the information as you may, I plan on being downtown around 8 am mon.
pittsburgh.raisethefist.com - Currently shut down
sTAY OUT OF THE STREETS DURING RUSH HOUR
by 2 beers
Saturday July 26, 2003 at 10:37 PM
Be there at 8:00 a.m. I'll alert the police and secret service. But stay the hell out of the streets. Since you losers don't have jobs or contribute a plug nickel to the GDP of this great capitalist engine of the world economy that we call America, you would have no appreciation for what a screwed up morning rush does to the rest of the work day for the productive freedom loving citizens of this fine city. So stay out of the streets, let us get to work.
Oh, one more safety tip......the Secret Service are not the Pittsburgh Police and they don't have to answer to any local politician who might otherwise pander to you whiners. So the Secret Service and Federal Marshalls are free to kick the last shred of sensibility out of your poi ball swingin' self and lock you up until the President is far away or until they feel like letting your loser unbathed customed butt out of the federal lockup.
FREE THE IMC OPPRESSED !!!!!!!! FREE EWAN KENKESMEARSE !!!!!!!!!!!
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by John-RPGH
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 01:17 AM
Will you shut the hell up already??
bush protest posters
by david
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 02:55 PM
i'm printing up 24x36 high impact b/w posters. please cast your vote for your favorite bush slogans:
where are the WMDs?
international terrorist
no more Bu$h
one nation under surveillance
it is happening here
regime change begins at home
...or others (please suggest)
also wanted: access to color photocopying
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by John-RPGH
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 03:23 PM
Use the crimthinc one, with his picture with the words "Stop me before I kill again".
How about: "We Reject the New World Order"
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 04:28 PM
I am so sad that my inattentiveness has helped to allow the New World Order be established.
Now we citizens will need to undo it, somehow without violence.
2 beers
by .
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 04:50 PM
I will be in the streets, I will be stopping traffic, i will use direct action, i will voice my opinion as loud as i can, i will not obey any orders by police, i will not conform, i will not be a slave anylonger to capitalism, i will never drive a FUV, i will not let bush rule me, i will not sit down any longer and watch my brothers and sisters struggle to survive, i will not be an american, i will not have any rule, i will not do what you wish. go ahead alert the police, alert the corporate media, alert the fbi, cia, nsa, kgb, kkk, nafta, alert the world, because i am me. and you are you. i will fly my black flag, i will strive for peace, i will strive for unity, i will strive for love i will strive for FREEDOM. i will be non-violent.................. but i can gaurentee that there will be violence against me!
hate - no
fear - no
apathy - no
ignorance - no
jingoism - no
corruption - no
fascism - no
sexism - no
betrayal - no
NATIONALISM - NO
classism - no
globalism - no
genocide - no
greed - no
revolution - yes
who am i - i am that voice in your head that tells you enough is enough, i am people helping people, i am elf, alf, peta, iso, human, i am the revolution, i am those riots, i am seattle, i am me and you are you.
banner vote
by *
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 07:05 PM
My vote is with "Where are the WMDs?" Most direct point for passersby to consider and probably the most irritating to Bush & co. Others to consider(?): "16 Little Words, My Ass!" or "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!"
short and succinct
by Who let Kenny Boy Go?
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 07:08 PM
Bush Lied. People Died.
You go "period" boy
by 2 beers
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 08:41 PM
You will be nonviolent?? But you are certain there will be violence against you? And so what if you wont drive an FUV??? Is George Bush trying to make you drive a vehicle that you can't handle?? I don't get it. What's your point. If you don't want to drive a big car then drive a small one and quit trying to make everyone else drive something less than they want to. You are a hypocrit. You don't want freedom, you want to impose your bad sense on everyone else.
ALF, ELF, PETA those are nonviolent organizations??? ALF and ELF randomly and wrecklessly burn and destroy private property including the homes of private citizens. Both of them are terrorist organizations. They are pretty damn violent if you ask me. And PETA is known for its random attacks on passerby that happen to violate the PETA Accepted Code of Fashion Conduct. Get a grip buckethead, you are violent and hateful. You are the voice in my head that says "that can get you arrested."
Stay out to the street. If you are pissed that violence seems to find you then quit looking for violence. Quit baiting it. Oh I am so convinced that you are nonviolent and peaceful, just like those protests in Seattle. Nothing but pointless melee. Stay home you fool. Unless some FUV should get pissed off that you don't want to drive it and mistakes your unbathed personage for a mud-flap.
FREE THE IMC OPPRESSED !!!!! FREE EWAN KENKESMEARSE !!!!!
Tim of protest
by Tim Vining
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 10:24 PM
The expected time of arrival for Bush is now set at 11:15 am. So, the Thomas Merton Center now suggests that people gather at 10:30 am to be in place in time for the President's arrival, in the event that he is on time. Please help to spread the word.
Tim
Time of protest
by Tim Vining
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 10:24 PM
The expected time of arrival for Bush is now set at 11:15 am. So, the Thomas Merton Center now suggests that people gather at 10:30 am to be in place in time for the President's arrival, in the event that he is on time. Please help to spread the word.
Tim
spread the fear
by eyes open
Sunday July 27, 2003 at 10:34 PM
It's an old tactic. McArthy used it, Nixon used it, G.W. and company use it. Spread the fear in hope people will cower and run to you for protection.
You know what? We don't care 2 beers. If you dislike us so much there are a wealth of other places online you can go more in sync with your sychophant political viewpoint but this is not the place to try scare tactics. we are a fearless lot. this isnt a hippie love fest. i was in the crowd at the 15 feb protest in london and you know what? this new generation of protestors when faced with arrest just stare it down. at 15 Feb we had the Met, Scotland Yard, MI5, and god knows what other security watching us, etc. No one cared. we carried on and had a historic protest. from what i've seen of the Pittsburgh protests they are made of people with the same resolve and fibre.
so take your scares elsewhere.
ALF/ELF
by Peppy-RPGH
Monday July 28, 2003 at 01:08 AM
In ALF and ELF history not 1 person has ever been injured or killed. So yes they are non-violent. there purpose is:
To inflict economic damage on those profitting from the destruction and exploitation of the natural environment.
To reveal and educate the public on the atrocities committed against the earth and all species that populate it.
To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.
so please be educated... and so they may inflict terror on people... so what? The people they inflict terror upon are people that are harming/destroying the enviorment, or are creating animal atrocities.
peace.
Clinton Lied
by Prodigal Yunzer
Tuesday July 29, 2003 at 11:19 AM
Hillary cried
Vince Foster died
It wasn't suicide
Seriously though folks, y'all act as if Bush needed anything more than the 9/11 attacks on our homeland and 2 US Congressional authorizations to wage war as he saw fit. Remember, during WW2 FDR first attacked Africa where Vichy French troops and sailors defended the ports. There were no French pilots at Pearl Harbor! Maybe we should have impeached FDR?
Clinton laid out the predicates for this war in 1998 but lacked sufficient provocation, resolve, or whatever he needed to prosecute it, so he lit them up with bombs and cruise missiles. As it stands now, we removed Saddam's Baathists and obviated the need to protect the Saudi oil fields from his naked aggression with our troops, which are leaving Saudi Arabia. As you may recall their presence in SA was given as the main provocation for al qaeda's attacks. And I thought you leftists welcomed those WIN WIN outcomes?
How did Bush mislead Congress who voted in November 2002 with a speech in January 2003? I know you leftists are terrible at math, but most of you can read a calendar.
What does PETA have to do with anything?
by Sam
Tuesday July 29, 2003 at 09:51 PM
That's what I wanna know.
Prodigally Ignorant
by Sam
Tuesday July 29, 2003 at 11:09 PM
[i]Hillary cried
Vince Foster died
It wasn't suicide[/i]
Oh, PLEASE. I'm no fan of Clinton's, but he was no more corrupt than any other President. The difference is that a well-funded right-wing flack machine was constantly leveling baseless accusations at him. Sling enough mud and eventually some will stick.
[i]Seriously though folks, y'all act as if Bush needed anything more than the 9/11 attacks on our homeland and 2 US Congressional authorizations to wage war as he saw fit. Remember, during WW2 FDR first attacked Africa where Vichy French troops and sailors defended the ports. There were no French pilots at Pearl Harbor! Maybe we should have impeached FDR?[/i]
The difference is that Saddam Hussein was not allied with al Qaeda. In fact, the available evidence indicates that he was enemies with al Qaeda.
Africa was being occupied by the fascists, and was therefore a legitimate military target.
Another big difference is the fact that the UN didn't exist at the time. Now the UN exists, and the UN Charter is a treaty to which the United States is a party. The President is constitutionally bound to abide by that treaty. Since the President launched the Iraq war without UN authorization, he is in violation of that treaty, and should therefore be impeached.
Furthermore, Congress alone can declare war. The Congressional authorization of war was contingent upon certain criteria which were not met.
[i]Clinton laid out the predicates for this war in 1998 but lacked sufficient provocation, resolve, or whatever he needed to prosecute it, so he lit them up with bombs and cruise missiles[/i]
And many present-day hawks condemned it at the time.
My own view on Desert Fox is that it shouldn't have happened, for a number of reasons. First of all, it was essentially a vigilante action -- it didn't get UN authorization.
Also, the U.S. must share the blame for Saddam Hussein's non-cooperation. The U.S. hijacked the inspections process, using it to spy, and also announced it would not lift sanctions as long as Saddam remained in power, even if Iraq was disarmed.
[i]As it stands now, we removed Saddam's Baathists and obviated the need to protect the Saudi oil fields from his naked aggression with our troops, which are leaving Saudi Arabia.[/i]
Saudi oil fields were never threatened by his "naked aggression".
First of all, the Iraqi military was in pathetic shape. Iraq's military expenditures were around $1.3 billion per year; Saudi expenditures were $18.3 billion per year. Iraq has a population of 25 million, Saudi Arabia 23 million. In other words, Saudi Arabia's military budget per capita was around 16 times that of Iraq. Saudi Arabia was also technologically superior, with a wide array of ballistic missiles.
Furthermore, Saddam Hussein was generally not well-liked in the Arab world, so many other Arab armies probably would have jumped to Saudi Arabia's aid.
Iraq was not a credible military threat to anyone. Even the Israelis said so.
[i]As you may recall their presence in SA was given as the main provocation for al qaeda's attacks. And I thought you leftists welcomed those WIN WIN outcomes?[/i]
Al Qaeda wants the U.S. out of [i]all[/i] Muslim lands, as do most Muslims. But what al Qaeda wants is irrelevent. We should do what's right, because doing what's right will lead less people to join terrorist groups. And what's right is getting the U.S. out of all the Middle East. But the U.S. hasn't done what's right. It's seized Iraqi oil and forced the Iraqi people to live under an occupation that they resent. We've turned Iraq into a recruiting poster for al Qaeda. And the U.S. continues to refuse to push for justice in Palestine, and refuses to abandon neocolonialist institutions like the WTO and the IMF which are destroying people's lives throughtout the world.
[i]How did Bush mislead Congress who voted in November 2002 with a speech in January 2003?[/i]
"It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- Bush, October 7, 2002
No weapons or programs have thus far turned up. The IAEA has stated that it does not believe Saddam Hussein had any active nuclear weapons program.
Numerous intelligence professionals have said that the Bush administration exagerrated NBC weapons claims, especially the nuclear claims. In October, 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency noted in an internal report (leaked to Newsweek) that it had absolutely no conclusive evidence of Iraq's alleged WMD capabilities. In 2001, top U.S. intelligence experts said that the bulk of Iraq's WMD capabilities were destroyed, and that whatever remained was "negligible in quantity and militarily meaningless". Australian and Canadian intelligence doubted the veracity of Bush's claims.
"In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and capable of killing millions." -- Bush, October 7, 2002
Bush is referring to Hussein Kamel. First of all, the inspectors already suspected Iraq was concealing these weapons -- Kamel merely gave them what they needed to force Iraq to reveal them. Secondly, the inspectors [i]never[/i] claims that Iraq produced two to four times that amount. They merely concluded that Iraq [i]could have[/i] produced two to four times that amount. Evidence indicates that Iraq did not produce that much. And even if Iraq did produce that much, the weapons would've deteriorated years ago.
"We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." -- Bush, October 7, 2002
This supposedly happened in northern Iraq -- which is not controlled by Saddam Hussein, but by the Kurds. Furthermore, journalists were invited to visit this "terrorist training camp", where they found no such evidence of these weapons.
These are just a few of the lies.
Sam So Informed
by Prodigal Yunzer
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 11:05 AM
Well funded flack machine? Your pseudointellectual phrasemongering betrays your biased approach to the realities of the situation.
I love how you handicap Iraq vs Saudi Arabia- what exactly were our troops there for anyway? Also if the main way to combat terrorism from Islamic fundamentalists is to DISCOURAGE RECRUITMENT, then please tell me how showing US soldiers moaning about being deployed helps anything except Saddam fedayeen recruiters trying to persuade fence-sitters to join up- "its just like Vietnam!". Those TV news reports on ABC were agitation propaganda for fedayeen. Always nice when the left who demands recognition as the moral high ground holders talks out of both sides of their mouths, which is one of their main problems with right wingers.
I agree that it is possible to provoke more aggression by brutal over reaction and violence. My opinion is that we have been judicious in the exercise of our military might. The US Army in Iraq is a giant roach motel, attacting young Islamic radicals from all over the region to get their chance to shoot an American soldier. Our forces have killed and detained terrorists from Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, and Chechnya. Bring it on, as the President said. They kill one or two of ours a day, well it is a war after all, a fact that most leftists only admit when pressed.
I think its funny when people attribute motives of greed to Bush and Cheney, when the facts are that both have enough money to live as kings and are losing money by serving as Pres/ VP. The same people don't bat an eye when a man who never owned a house or made payments on a car note gets campaign financing from the Communist Chinese Rocket Artillery Force, then looks for rich contributors to donate their summer homes for his next vacation. But he wasn't venal or corrupt, its those damned rich bastards that you can buy off
Some reason on this board
by Jeffrey
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 12:45 PM
Having read some of the replies, I find this board isn't a complete and total waste of space for the liberal left wing radicals. Actually some people here actually arguing against the morons/dregs of society.
It's funny - I went to the so-called 'protest' which by the Post Gazette had 200, while WPXI said 75 attending. My head count (yes - actually counted the morons standing around) was 40... YES FORTY. Of these forty, half were not even really 'bush haters' - but anarchists, pink bloc members, and even Johnny Gammage???? Guess you guys couldn't get enough people to protest, so you had to bolster your numbers by recruiting from all the radicals in the 'burgh. I can tell you one thing - the bone-head kid that had our great flag upside down and desecrated with an anarchy symbol stayed away from the construction workers - wished he would've made it near me - I would've throttled the little bastard. Probably had no idea why his parents stuck it in his hands to run around... or what it meant. Of course he had a bandana around his face to hide his identity as did others in the group.
Of the remaining 20 haters there.... they looked like 60's era throwbacks... long greasy hair, scraggly beards, dirty clothes and sandals.... probably never worked a day in their life.... and living off my tax paying dime so they can organize protests.
Get a life people.... can't you see how wrong you all are?
Oh Jeffrey...
by none
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 02:19 PM
Oh Jeffrey, how little you scare or intimidate me. Or anyone else for that matter. The most you can do is talk about how you would throttle someone on a message board. Scary, let me tell you. Threats through internet channels mean oh so much. I mean, you'll be sure to change people's minds by making idle threats on an internet message board. Please, the next protest you supposedly attend come and look for me. I'd be thrilled to have you attempt to throttle me. I'm about 6'2, 180lbs - I'll even give you the first move. Believe me, if your fight is anything like your intellect I've got nothing to worry about. But I'd guess you will just follow up with more idle threats from behind the safety of your keyboard - more power to you.
Lets check though, I don't have long hair, I don't have a beard, and I don't own sandals. And I'm gainfully employed and pay my taxes, thankyouverymuch.
So in the end, fuck you and your misconceptions Jeffrey. Please oh please try to throttle me. You don't have a chance. But we all know you won't actually pull through on any threats anyway, neither you nor any of your fellow ranting and raving friends ever have...
Thanks Jeffrey
by Still laughing
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 02:48 PM
I was kind of disappointed that Prod's posts weren't as funny as usual, but yours was a laff-riot.
I'm assuming that you are the tough guy with the sassy little flag hankie in his back pocket. I'm not sure what that means in East Village S&M bars (uniform fetish?) The way you yelled across the street really struck fear into me. You'd think that great textile worshipper like yourself owuld know that a upsidedown flag is a distress signal.
I don't know what to make of the self-hating union construction workers, who apparently weren't informed about the Connecticut Cocaine Cowboy's stance on organized labor, and his efforts to abolish the 8 hour day.
I don't know why you were in town, other than for your bad head counts, but I was there on my lunch break.
I guess you failed to notice how many of the conventioneers chanted along with us. All the articles I read about his teleprompter read, I mean speech, mentioned the "polite " applause; the Urban League wasn't fooled, but you are, and apparently proud of the fact.
Jeffrey - stay @ Toys R Us
by anti-imperialist
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 02:54 PM
Jeffrey, my friend, you are just another victim of brainwashing. I'm sure you have an American flag somewhere on your SUV, a shirt that says "these colors don't run", a baseball hat with the American flag on it, god bless america underwear and so on. You felt great joy when Sadams sons bodies were paraded around by the blood-thirsty media. A sense of revenge for you Jeffrey. One day you didn't have to kick your dog when you got home from your construction job. Maybe instead of blathering here on indy media you should actually do some investigating online. Why don't you do a google search for Bush body count and see what comes up. There is your fearless leader. You want to whine about a kid who had an anarchy symbol on your precious flag? Throttle him? For what? Being more knowledgeable of current events at age 16 than you are? Please. You fail to see the connection between police violence, loss of civil liberties, an unelected president, an unjust war. Open your eyes, Jeffrey. We have enough "ugly american's" - what we don't have is enough educated non-brianwashed citizens of this land. And let me tell you another thing we are forced to conseal our identities by the government & by the police who put us on lists and round us up as terrorist. We are not terrorists. We are pushing for change. Change for the better my friend. Revolution. And one final note: I also do not have long hair, I bathed before the rally and I have a full time job. I used a vacation day to participate in the anti-bush demo. I pay taxes which I'm sure will be used to pay your medi-care in a few years while your sitting on your lazy ass still crying about your precious flag. Maybe you should be the one who gets a life.
One more thing Jeffrey
by Still laughing...
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 03:00 PM
All the partiotic plastic shit that you buy is made in Red China, as well as you attitude towards dissent. If you want to go there, I'll start collecting for your ticket. You may want to try Iraq, since they kill people who criticize Bush there.
Fear and Loathing
by in Pittsburgh
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 03:12 PM
Jeffrey - I loved it when you cowered in the presense of the real George W. Bush. You saw him, with the horns on his head, oil dripping from his ears, blood trickling from his mouth, the coke residue on his nose and you, the brave american you are, kept your american flag bandanna in your back pocket. Afraid to even pull it out.
i
by i
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 03:19 PM
Hey 'anti-imperialist', something wrong with displaying the American flag? Something wrong with celebrating the death of two truly evil men? You sick little fuck, why don't you take your little petulant 'look at me, I'm a rebel!' act to Iraq and explain yourself to the people that have had their wives murdered and raped by Hussein's sons?
j
by j
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 03:21 PM
Lets get the US troops home so they can go to the ChiChi's outside of Austin, and get those Bush twins.
Something really wrong
by anti-imperialist
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 03:39 PM
There is nothing wrong with displaying the American flag. BUT, lets not hide behind it in some false sense of patriotism. Most people didn't even own a flag before 911.
The real question is: if you're such a bad ass mother fucker why aren't YOU in Iraq. "Surving your cuntry"
Celebrating the death of two truly evil men was another media event that you fell for like the stupid fuck YOU are. I'll bet you had a hard on when they "toppled Sadams statue"
Your ignorance will always be your demise
i
by i
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 04:05 PM
When they toppled Saddam's statue I was relieved that our armed forces had driven such a ruthless dictator (sorry to talk that way about someone you obviously admire you little chicken shit asshole) out of power with minimal loss to them and to Iraqi civilians. Go bang a drum and prance around in the street, the rest of the country knows who the real heroes are.
WOW
by am I laughing
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 04:19 PM
Uhhghh, don't you realize the comment to you about toppling of that statue was made in jest. It was a media event. Used to divert the growing concerns of an unjust war and an unfit tyrant and back to blind patriotism
AND LOOK - IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM
You're nothing but a pawn.......and a chump to boot
i
by i
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 04:48 PM
Yes, you anarchists are much too clever for me. What's next on your agenda of derring-do, protesting a Starbucks? Shmoke a fat one and eat the roach while it's still lit? Pout at mommy when she tries to make you eat your veggies? Get out and see the world kid.
Chi Chi's In Austin
by Prodigal Yunzer
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 06:28 PM
Anyone who eats at Chi Chi's in Texas must be from Pittsburgh, or maybe Minnesota. If the Bush twins were spotted in a Chi Chis, I hate them automatically on grounds of poor taste. I suspect your slander is a confabulation.
There are 400 Mexican restaurants in Austin; and the run the gamut from authentico to almost Chi Chi's. Chi chis means tittys in Mexican anyhow. You filthy communist puerco!
Mejor, mi camarada
by Reir tranquilo
Wednesday July 30, 2003 at 07:00 PM
Prod, what makes you think that the progeny of a milquetoast, wannabe cowboy from Connecticut, would understand authentic cusine? Before the Reichstag fire, his foreign policy was guide by what he had seen at EPCOT. Yankee bluebloods weaken with each succesive generation. The boy emperor makes his old man look like Alexander the friggin' Great, and Bush the elected was no Prescott. The twins (good day for mammary double entendre?) just follow the frozen margarita special. The reality disconnect of the ruling elite could allow for national chains to be culinary expeditions.
and like the martyr Woody Guthrie(PBUH)said, " I ain't a communist, but I've been in the red all my life."
haha
by JohnRPGH
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 12:49 AM
Hey Jeffrey, I was that kid with the upside-down flag. Were you the moron with the flag bandana in his back pocket? Haha i remember you, i also remember telling you to come over to me and calling you some pretty dirty names, and you didn't. You're nothing but talk. Also, I went near those construction workers many times. They looked right at me, 2 feet away. They didn't do one thing. Think before you talk and pretend to be a hardass.
-That little bone-headed kid with our great flag upside down with the anarchist symbol on it....PS: I burned a great flag later that day. :-)
hey anti-imperialist
by Peppy-RPGH
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:19 AM
How did you know I was 16? lol.
And Jeffrey: "Probably had no idea why his parents stuck it in his hands to run around... or what it meant.� My parents are the ones that don't fully understand anarchy. I inform them everyday on the simple things in life and how they let money get the best of them. I hope to see you at Aug 2 : )
Also.... It seems as though most patriots solve their problems with violence. Why is that? Violence = retaliation and retaliation = violence and so on... maybe that is why you think the flag is so great, because "we always have to fight for freedom".
Remember: Freedom is something you are born with, then it is taken away from you.
Serving?
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 10:26 AM
To those who asked... I served, and still am serving our country in uniform (Army for 16 years, now Air Force for 3) - and was in Kuwait all last summer setting things up for our troops. And no - I was not the one with a hanky in my pocket... I stood silently watching the 40 (not 200) protestors mill around unorganized. I kept my hands in my back pocket so I didn't reach out and grab the idiot with the flag... nor the other ones who know not what they are protesting - other than their hatred of the President of the US. Yes, it gives me GREAT rage to know I serve our country, protect the same flag, and give the idiots the right to carry their flag (although desceration of the flag is a slap in my face). To the others who wished to confront me... I am only 5'8", 170 lbs, but I know I can handle myself quite easily.... Please try to burn a flag in front of me... I'll be the one watching quietly as always.... watching those who have no idea what they are talking about try to get their picture taken in the newspaper or get on the news.
Oh - and bandana boy... why hide your face? Afraid that you are doing something wrong? Ashamed? LOL
Jeffrey
brave?
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 10:47 AM
Oh - and if you are so brave young man... I'd like to see you wave that same flag in front of some veterans... the same ones who fought for it.... I'm sure they'd do much more than just 'throttle' you.... But of course you arent' that brave... you have to stand over near the other liberal left wingers for support.
And what is August 2nd? Another attempt to 'organize' a rabble of the pathetic crowd for more useless yelling and crying? You have the right to do it, but that doesn't make it right....
And you are only 16? no wonder - you don't have any sense yet - I can excuse your ignorance - you don't know any better yet. See me in a few years when you get some experience in life - then see if you are still raising that flag so high.
So far - 2 responders of the 40 that have bathed or shaved... I think I saw them in the paltry crowd. Glad to hear a few were actually upstanding citizens actually going out to protest what they believe in instead of the cowering permanent protest organizers that live of the taxpayers money. Of those few - I salute them in taking time off work to protest... for the rest - I still hold them in disregard.
And I wasn't with the counter protestors - I was standing on the other side of the street just watching with the other spectators who were laughing at the protestors. I am quite quiet.... I like to watch, learn, take it all in. I am a patient man as well... but it was growing thin watching the spectacle.
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by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 10:51 AM
Boy - I can't seem to stop writing - seems the youngster with the flag got my hackles up.
I guess I really hit some of your nerves with the truth. You can usually tell - your replies are mere stammers laced with expletives... obviously you don't know what to say unless you swear at someone when you are confused. Glad I sunk in to some of you.
To the others who kept a fairly civil response, and articulated reply.... I welcome that - I love to argue when it's thought out and actually counters my statements (not the F-you... again - confused thoughts from posters).
So It Was a Canard then
by Prodigal Yunzer
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 11:12 AM
The Bush family is pretty typical for a wealthy bourgeois family, with stars among the lesser lights. Their lifestyle makes suburbanites like me comfortable that we share common values. Destruction of this way of life is a must if leftist revolution is to occur, because its very existence withers the credibility of the class struggle construct. Attacking Bush family and mocking his family values is de rigeur for leftists and wannabe intellectuals.
Family values advocates do NOT have to be perfect to argue successfully against the leftist anti-family agenda. Family Values means that I want to keep my own money to buy piano lessons for my child instead of giving it to the Pittsburgh School Board. Why? I fully expect the school board to waste my money by paying too much for a few pianos to someone who is related to a board member, then they will ask for more money in order to hire music teachers, or else the pianos will gather dust. It is my money after all, and it is my child. Those are the core tenets of Family Values.
If leftists demand perfection of ideology before one's arguments are deemed worthwhile, then where is all the returned Bush tax cut money that they do not want? Why don't we see leftists throwing THEIR OWN money at social problems now that they cannot appropriate MY money any more?
Texans thought Bush authentic enough of a Texan to elect him Governor twice. He beat the snot out of one of the Democrat's most telegenic incumbent governors, and was reelected in a landslide. "?Quieren es mas macho?" is an amusing game, but tsk tsk for allowing your testosterone fueled need to quibble with Bush's alpha dog credentials to cloud your revolutionary thought processes.
disguisting
by slh
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 11:28 AM
Reading what some of you have to say makes me sick!!! If you all don't like our country and feel pride in burning the flag, why don't you get the hell out!! Maybe you need to go to Iraq and see what life there is like!! There are men dying for our country to give people like you freedom and you are a disgrace to us all!! You protesters talk about wanting peace and no war, but then you can't make a normal comment without using vulgarity or talking violence. Gee, that's real mature. At least I know there are more supporters in this country than people like you. Thank God for that!!!
to none
by slh
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 11:32 AM
If your soooo big and sooo willing to fight, why don't you go do it for a good cause????
History lesson
by V
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 11:37 AM
I hate to sound like a broken record, but the last time US troops defended the US was The War of 18-fucking-12.
If you have a problem with flag burning, go to Iraq, and they'll let you kill flag burners there.
No, you chickenhawks just sit and mommy's basement and troll away.
Idiots all
by bugger
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 12:14 PM
I was there and I think there were about 40 or at most 50 protesters. And all of you idiots were walking around like mindless jerks ranting about who knows what. You idiots do not understand or appreciate the intricacies of foreign affairs, or the regional and cultural issues that affect the middle east , so you should shut your gaping pie holes. Stay home and rebel against mommy and daddy without bothering the rest of us. Your message, if there even is one, is nothing but noise.
Last time defending the U.S. was in 1812?!?
by Derwin
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 01:11 PM
The last time U.S. troops defended the U.S. was definately not in 1812. Have you already forgotten WWII? We were attacked in Pearl Harbor. Invaded in the Phillipines (U.S. territory at the time). Part of the Alaska was actually occupied and held by the Japanese during WWII. Need I go on about that war? Unless you're one of those idiots that have already forgotten 9-11 as well.
derwin....
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 01:17 PM
Isn't it funny how the leftists seem to amazingly forget the important issues when they argue? US troops haven't defended the US since 1812..... LOL.
Isn't it wonderful how they forget 9-11, WW2, etc. like you said when it DOESN'T fit their agenda? Seems to be a leftist mentality.... only argue using issues that re-inforce their position, but leave out all the important ones that could make it much more difficult to prove their agenda... Well - I guess that's better than their normal drivel of 'well F-you' and 'you don't know S*it'. Why is it so hard to have a normal civil argument? Possibly because they have no concrete facts or issues to back up their fading ideals?
and...
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 01:32 PM
Let's not forget that I was the first on this board to make any violent remarks, such as when I said: "...wished he would've made it near me - I would've throttled the little bastard."
And remember, my cohort 2 beers was the first to start calling names. "Misfits", "losers", "whiners", "loser unbathed customed butt", "fool", "unbathed personage" and so on.
And while we're at it I might as well point out that I also entered the conversation with an unsupported statement of "...probably never worked a day in their life.... and living off my tax paying dime so they can organize protests."
I'm simply here just to stir everyone up. I really enjoy threatening violence upon people, and when they tell me they aren't scared of my idle threats, I like to turn the story around that they were the first to advocate violence against one's person. I truly am confused. Luckily all of you can read the above posts in the order that they were written and see where the real intelligence lies. It isn't with my mixed up, confused statements thats for sure.
fake poster
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:09 PM
The above post was not made by me (apparently - he sounds quite confused - and grasping at straws now). Now we can see that when they lose the argument (due to lack of evidence) - they try deception.... look away from here folks - nothing to see here.
Guess I have to try another board, as some of the kids here don't like to play fair when they lose.
And yes - I thought of violence.... only when necessary and for just cause. You slap me in the face with a desecrated flag in which I stand for - sure - I beget violence.
I can bet odds that my statement of the 'unwashed and never worked a day in their life' is quite true - unless businesses these days actually hire dirty, scraggly, unkempt persons....
I would be glad to see someone burn a flag or paint it in front of my face - without the police or 40 other supports backing him. Sounds like cowardice on your part (backed up by the bandana to cover identities).
I even mentioned to my wife - I would have gladly spent the night in jail for one punch to someone who slaps me in the face (and is too un-experienced in life to be making such bold and wonderous statements).
I am normally not violent whatsoever - but when confronted by people who make me sick and have no respect for our country, our leader, or our military.... sure - I get quite angry. Let me know when the next rally is - I'd be glad to be there - and watch again... silently..... until you came just a bit too close.
fake poster
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:10 PM
The above post was not made by me (apparently - he sounds quite confused - and grasping at straws now). Now we can see that when they lose the argument (due to lack of evidence) - they try deception.... look away from here folks - nothing to see here.
Guess I have to try another board, as some of the kids here don't like to play fair when they lose.
And yes - I thought of violence.... only when necessary and for just cause. You slap me in the face with a desecrated flag in which I stand for - sure - I beget violence.
I can bet odds that my statement of the 'unwashed and never worked a day in their life' is quite true - unless businesses these days actually hire dirty, scraggly, unkempt persons....
I would be glad to see someone burn a flag or paint it in front of my face - without the police or 40 other supports backing him. Sounds like cowardice on your part (backed up by the bandana to cover identities).
I even mentioned to my wife - I would have gladly spent the night in jail for one punch to someone who slaps me in the face (and is too un-experienced in life to be making such bold and wonderous statements).
I am normally not violent whatsoever - but when confronted by people who make me sick and have no respect for our country, our leader, or our military.... sure - I get quite angry. Let me know when the next rally is - I'd be glad to be there - and watch again... silently..... until you came just a bit too close.
sorry for duplicate post above
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:23 PM
Sorry for the above duplicate post
confused again, sorry folks
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:32 PM
Sorry guys, I'm all confused again. I can't even master scrolling up the message board to re-read my own posts. I keep contradicting myself! I advocate violence based on people's views - everyone must love and respect the flag the same as I do OR ELSE! And being that I don't know any of the protestors personally, I can't say that they are actually unclean or do not hold jobs - some of them may even work with me! Some of them may even make more money than me, hold more pretigious degrees than me. But it's far easier for me to lump them all together and call them names. I like acting like a child, calling names and telling lies to cover up my past lies.
I'm such a big man, and so strong in my views that I'll only fight a 16 year old if they don't have any of their friends around. Aren't you glad that I'm defending your freedom of speech by "throttling" those I disagree with? I even boasted to my wife that I would strike someone who disagreed with my politics. Now I've gone and threatened to lurk in the bushes and wait for someone to get too close to me before I attack them. Don't worry, I won't actually do it, I'm too busy bickering with myself on message boards.
Sorry for the confusion everyone, it won't happen again. Well actually it might, even though I said in my last post that I would find another message board to rant and rave on I'll likely be back. I'm confused. Help me.
Good ridence
by anti-imperialist
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:34 PM
Hey Jeffrey, did you see the movie American Beauty? You remind me of Col. Frank Fitz USMC to a tee. So full of hate and contempt for anyone who disagrees with you. "What a sad old man you are"
Why don't you ask veterans how they felt when Bush cut their benefits? Why don't you ask Ron Kovic if he minds if anyone burns the flag. Why don't you ask veterans how they feel about Gulf War syndrome. I'm sure you have heard of depleted uranium but you dismiss it because the government would never mislead it's people for the benefit of the wealthy and corporate america.
You said violence only when necessary and for a just cause, like what control of the Middle Easts oil supply? Is that just cause? Don't you realize Bush has hung the military out to dry in Iraq?
This bit about you'll be standing quietly @ the next demo until someone gets too close. Give me a fucking break. Keep chattering, I know it makes you feel better. I know you call in to Rush Limbaugh while your typing.
Your senseless dribble makes me laugh. The government and the military planted these sick ideas in your head and your too much of a fool to even realize.
see ya
by Jeffrey
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 02:37 PM
Well - as they can't play fair... (notice how they NEVER answered any of my questions?) - This is my last post in this thread under my name....
Seems losers on this board wish to make an issue with someone they can't argue against.
I'll see ya in the next thread... and no I won't be lurking in the bushes - I stand out in the open - for all to see - I am not ashamed of my identity, nor wish to hide it like some.... I am proud of what I stand for....
Since you are using my name and probably hid behind a mask as well - what are you hiding? Have you done something wrong? Ashamed?
Sorry - I won't try to argue civiliy with idiots who can't play by the rules.... If you want to use my name - fine... but just so those know - it ain't me. (I think they can tell by your assinined remarks and left wing drivel)...
Jeffrey
you are funny
by John-RPGH
Thursday July 31, 2003 at 03:02 PM
Ah Jeffrey...still wasting your time with us idiotic leftists?
Well it seems you're still willing to use the violence you were taught in the military to throttle us who actually use these "rights" you speak of. Learn some tolerance instead of thinking violence is the right answer all the time. I don't have a problem with people who don't think like I do, wave american flags, and love america as long as they respect my right to not wave a flag. There were two people on our side with flags, we stood right next to them with ours and they didn't say one thing. I respect them. I also respect those who come over and actually TALK to us, instead of simply threatening us with violence.
Imposters
by slh
Friday August 01, 2003 at 01:16 PM
What a shame that you take someone else's name and write untruths. Guess that means you realized you lost and you could'nt handle it like an adult!! This site is not worth anyone's time to deal with vulgar, immature people like you!! You all belong together.
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