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Total Liberation Fest
by 'Adil
Monday, Nov. 03, 2003 at 4:40 AM
tlfest@aol.com
A revolutionary conference on radical environmentalism, animal liberation, revolution, state repression, political prisoners, and more.. January 10th and 11th in Erie, PA
political prisoners, and more..
Ramona Africa
Leslie Pickering
David Agranoff
Steven Best (author / philosophy professor from Univ. of Texas)
Kevin Jonas (founder of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty)
Kevin Tucker (anarcho-primitivist author)
and more TBA..
Freya
Purification (Italy)
Justice Department (Spain)
Risen
Tears of Gaia
Purified In Blood (Norway)
Found Dead Hanging
Wings Of Scarlet
Mu
The Code
Awsome!!!
by ARA dude
Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2003 at 11:29 AM
This events looks fucking great yall. I just spoke to one of the organizers of this in Erie and this is going to be a great time. Does anyone want to carpool from the Burgh to Erie?
total liberation
by me
Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2003 at 11:42 AM
You lice coated freaks wanna be liberated from the ills of the world? Just absolutely can't stand that the Universe itself just won't cooperate and give you Utopia?
Take a loaded .38, stick it in each of your mouths, and pull the trigger!
re: total liberation
by ...
Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2003 at 4:29 PM
so, this is a troll, right?
and it's going to get deleted, right?
and it's obvious why, right?
and the fest looks awesome. if only i had some wheels. maybe i'll ride my bike through the freezing rain and slush...
why delete it?
by Schlomo
Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2003 at 5:18 PM
What did the poster say that was so wrong? You people are never happy about anything. You want to tear everything down, yet have no concrete solutions.
I say the poster is right. If you weenies can't handle life, then kill yourselfs and make room for the rest of us.
obviously the same person
by brian
Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2003 at 6:43 PM
artriot@verizon.net
it's pretty obvious that the .38 comment and the supporter of the .38 comment are both the same person, or two people who are very intimate with each other, much like most frat boys are.
obvious
by required
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 9:31 AM
It's obvious that the member of the sphincter fraternity Brian and ... is the same person.
While I ...
by George K.
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 10:46 AM
dodgerambler@yahoo.com
...do not agree with the lice-infested comment or the .38 comment, I do think I have the forum to say that events like this are wastes of time. They do not futher your agenda. They are mostly breeding grounds for hate. Especially when hate-mngering activists like "Romona Africa" are allowed to spew forth their venom. Call it what you will and dress it up nice in the form of anti-establishment, and artistic freedom, but the group of people here will rebuke and reject outsiders that are interested in a message. Why will ousiders be harshly turned back? Because they don't dress the right way, or wear their hair the right way, or speak the right way, or buy the right things. I have been through the circles of many advocacy groups, and I have found one commonality: most of the people in them are in them for the power of THEIR cause, and they want to run things THEIR way. Fall in line comrades, no other input is necessary. Look like us, comrades, for other looks are deemed CORPORATE and EVIL.
Hypocrites.
Even the faux-anger in the music is disgusting to hear. Fake artists, with fake music, with fake messages, in a fake crowd. It will probably be a fun time for dope-smoking, beer swilling, cliquish activists with no room for anyone else.
To all you TotalLiberationFestians
by 2Beers
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 11:12 AM
including the lice infested ones, since you really really do not have any message other than to hear yourselves ramble on about some bullshit.
remember when
by rip van winkle
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 11:29 AM
IMC was a news wire and not a clubhouse for ex-cops and assorted other trolls
rememer when...
by 2Beers
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 12:09 PM
IMC was a clubhouse for leftists, socialist and angry democrats, and not an open newswire and discussion forum free from heavy handed editorial practices? Glad those days are over. I even wrote a Haiku about it:
Now we can be free
To post the truth without fear
Cretins on the Left
i
by i
Thursday, Nov. 06, 2003 at 5:04 PM
"IMC was a news wire and not a clubhouse for ex-cops and assorted other trolls"
Yes, the good old days when you couldn't be challenged by differing opinions.
Remember
by when
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 3:33 AM
Remember when 2beers had a fucking job
Why don't you write a haiku about unemployment
Challenging opinions
by ?
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 4:27 AM
Challenging opinion? Like what stick a loaded .38 in your mouth and pull the trigger?
Your right that is challenging.
Challenging Onions: A Haiku
by 2Beers
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 5:23 AM
November Seventh
Unemployment Rate Declines
Nonfarm Payrolls Surge
If you had a job
You would not have time for this
You would have to work
It is better here
Now that everyone can speak
Cry Vox Populi
Even if Ewan
Annoyed by this Philistine
His voice now is free
Peel back a layer
Opinions are like Onions
Some smell some are sweet
Back on track
by �
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 8:15 AM
Getting back to the original post - this looks like an awesome event. I hope I can make it.
IT'S INSANE, I TELL YOU !!!!!!!!!
by Dr. Demento
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 8:21 AM
If everyone were liberated then all we would have is anarchy and chaos. Stop now before you do something we can not reverse. Worst is that if the animals are liberated from the forests they will move into the cities and poop in the streets. Keep the animals repressed and in the fields and forests, unless you want deer doo on your shoe. This is insane and I hope it is stopped soon.
good one
by Irving
Friday, Nov. 07, 2003 at 9:19 AM
Is Dr. Demento around, by the way? Used to love him. Haven't heard him in my neck of the woods since the mid '80's.
Fish heads
Fish heads
Roly poly fish heads....
free at last
by BraveNewBermanGroupie
Sunday, Nov. 09, 2003 at 7:41 PM
I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth....
1st Edition, mint condition
by USS Liberty
Sunday, Nov. 09, 2003 at 10:21 PM
startrek1.jpg, image/jpeg, 800x600
Look Irv, your favorite space cadets. Reagan isn't pictured, because they're using him as a doorstop on tht lazer room
space cadets
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 7:59 AM
That's a pretty good image. Bush looks like that guy on the new show, the one who gets massages from the Vulcan with the fake boobs. I envy people who are good with imaging. (And I loathe fake boobs and fake puffy lips).
But the jokes are dreadfully unfunny, and the third rate comedians (re: Al Franken groupies) also need to learn how to proofread. It's spelled "Halliburton", with 2 "L"s, and "Romulans", with an "A".
You'd think a good little Borgie, spouting "Halliburton" every other sentence, (as with "racism", "homophobia", and "no blood for oil"), could get it right.
So much for the so called "intellectuals". When it comes to creativity and logic and rational thought, there's just not a scintilla of creativity among them.
The quality of Leftists is at an all time low....
Ground control to Major Irving
by USS Liberty
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 9:25 AM
It's time to leave mommy's basement (we want to be alone)
Irving...you are the chosen one
by zzzzzzzz
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 9:29 AM
The next chosen troll to bombard every IMC thread with your conservative rhetoric, your boring imagery.
Do you really think this is going to stop movements against such evils you support like the Republican National Party?
You wasting your own time (which obviously is not that important) and making yourself look like a bigger bufoon than you could ever hope to aspire to.
In reality, you are just like the other lurkers you would never voice an opinion to someone else's face you just babble in an electronic media where everyone can be a giant for a day.
Stick to watching Bill O'Reilly, transgender Ann Coulter and re-runs of your obvious hero Ronnie "Guns for Hostages" Reagan.
It's Bedtime for you too, Bonzo
spell checker
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 10:01 AM
A piece of advice for you, Little Precious:
When you're going for the jugular, when you're going to shock and awe the planet with your knee buckling mastery at name calling, learn to do it right.
Buffoon has 2 f's, you microcephalic anal birth....
Anal-fetish?
by zzzzzzzzz
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 10:12 AM
Yo, Irv - what's up with the anal-fetish? Seems like every boring post you make involves some anal reference. I mean I realize you are an ASSHOLE but what gives?
And as far as the spelling of buffoon - I knew you would be the EXPERT on that one.
Who is Little Precious? It's not one of your My Little Pony dolls is it?
It is definately time to leave the comforts of your mom's basement. I mean, after 45 years of living there..............
Leftists are never happy
by USS Running Sore
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 10:28 AM
If another anal fetishist comes around, you disgusting degenerates bitch and complain.
Are you butt bobbers EVER happy? :)
GET OUT OF THE BASEMENT
by zzzz
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 10:48 AM
Come on, Irv. How much torture are you going to put your poor mother thru? It's bad enough she bore you, but for you to live under her roof and sponge off her for decades? Give the woman a break and get out of her basement.
With a little ambition you could still be the back-up Pirate Parrot
So tired of this
by Tired and Grumpy
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 10:58 AM
I just want to say that I don't know about anyone else, but I do know that I am extremely tired of all the discussions being rerouted and turned into waste-of-time name calling sessions. This is absurd. Quibbling over stupid typos and spelling errors to find reasons to call each other stupid is simply NOT WORTH IT. Yes, I get as irritated and angry with the people who chose to jump in and attack "left" thinking, as much as anyone else, but I'm tired of wasting my time on them. I know it's hard not to respond, but to everyone reading this PLEASE DON'T BOTHER. It's what the kind of people who post those comments want! They are like school-yard bullies...just don't respond to their baiting and hopefully they'll get bored and go away. They are just going to continue "picking" and name calling no matter how eloquent an argument you make against them anyway, so why bother? Some people have narrow and/or closed minds and are not willing to change, but allowing them to lead you into a pointless, mindless session of "who is dumber" is a just a waste of your own time and the patience of those who would like to engage in real meaningful discussion.
point taken
by zzzzzzz
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 11:05 AM
point taken
tired and grumpy
by USS Cadaver
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 11:15 AM
You forgot to mention you're a dime store elitist too, Little Precious.
Leftists will never win an argument because they are completely devoid of facts and logic. They are emotional spineless worms, who cry "peace" in the useless hopes of Appeasement.
Uppity Appeasers. Now there's a laugh riot if ever I saw one....
tired and grumpy
by USS Wasted Away
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 11:27 AM
....and of decidedly inferior quality.
I'm serious. What passes for Leftists nowadays is as cheap as the usual "Made in China" shit at those "Everything for a Dollar" places which are spreading like a homosexual fad across America.
Is there hope for IMC?
by Ewan Kenkesmearse
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 11:31 AM
At the risk of being called an elitist (again), I have to say that the gratuitous personal attacks and childish threats of "kicking each others asses" is pretty ... well, to use a pedestrian term ..... lame. You all seem to be basement dwellers when you can only approach your arguments with name calling and not introducing any new infomraiton into the discussion. This is exactly the sort of thing that I have found so frustrating with IMC. And to Mr. Tired and Grumpy, please be aware that this conduct is not reserved to those that attack (and rightly so) leftist thinking. In fact, if you follow the strings you will likely find that the name calling more often origninates with a loyal leftist (with the notable exception of 2Beers and the recently bombastic Irv).
excuse me, Obi-Wan
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 12:00 PM
What can there possibly be that's "new"?
I didn't come here to have a "dialogue" with Collaborators and enablers of child predators and sympathizers of terrorists. I'm here for one reason only - to cyberslam them.
If you think that you're able to have uplifting conversations with those who march in lockstep with every degenerate group on this planet, then you're most assuredly in need of professioanl help.
Cyberslam?
by Hahahahahahahahahahah
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 12:18 PM
Is that like cybersex? Or is it some wrasslin' thing?
what it is
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 12:30 PM
I ram it up your gerbil cage and break it off.
Ain't that right, Little Precious?
You're a baaad man
by USS Liberty
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 12:36 PM
I believe we are making progress in getting you out of the proverbial closet.
You seem to be finding yourself through releasing years of pent-up homoerotic frustration.
Maybe when mommy dies, or suddenly cuts your umbilical cord, then you can start dating.
dialogues with sewage
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 12:36 PM
You want to be above board, you want to consider yourself some kind of intellectual, who wants to talk things to death, and you want to dialogue with raw sewage that has Chairman Mao posters on their walls. That's what's wrong with the Right. For far too long they've turned the other cheek, and the dangerously disturbed of the Left have made too many inroads.
We don't need your kind. Better to shave your head and ship you to France.
Monday, Nov. 17, 2003
To Hell With Sympathy
The goodwill America earned on 9/11 was illusory. Get over it
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
No one likes us. And the democrats know why: the world loved us just two years ago, and then this President, cowboy arrogant and rudely unilateral, blew it. "When America was savagely attacked by al-Qaeda terrorists on 9-11, virtually all the world was with us," writes Democratic elder statesman Theodore Sorensen. "But that moment of universal goodwill was squandered." He writes that in the current issue of The American Prospect, but he is speaking for just about every Democratic candidate, potentate, deep thinker and critic, and not a few foreign commentators as well. The formulation is near universal: "The president has somehow squandered the international outpouring of sympathy, goodwill and solidarity that followed the attacks of Sept. 11" (Al Gore). "He has squandered the goodwill of the world after Sept. 11" (John Kerry).
The ur-text for this myth is the famous Le Monde editorial of Sept. 12, 2001, titled "We Are All Americans." But as Johns Hopkins professor Fouad Ajami points out, not only did that very editorial speak of America's paying for its cynicism, but also, within months, that same Le Monde publisher was back with a small book ("All Americans? The World After September 11, 2001"--note the question mark) filled with the usual belligerence toward and disapproval of America.
What happened in those intervening few months? Is not the core Democratic complaint that it was overreaching in Iraq that caused the world to turn against us? And yet barely had we buried our 9/11 dead � long before we entered Baghdad � when the French, and the rest of the world, decided that they were not really Americans after all and were back to vilifying American arrogance, unilateralism, hegemony and so on.
It is pure fiction that this pro-American sentiment was either squandered after Sept. 11 or lost under the Bush Administration. It never existed. Envy for America, resentment of our power, hatred of our success has been a staple for decades, but most particularly since victory in the cold war left us the only superpower.
Bill Clinton was the most accommodating, sensitive, multilateralist President one can imagine, and yet we know that al-Qaeda began the planning for Sept. 11 precisely during his presidency. Clinton made humility his vocation, apologizing variously for African slavery, for internment of Japanese Americans, for not saving Rwanda. He even decided that Britain should return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. A lot of good that did us. Bin Laden issued his Declaration of War on America in 1996--at the height of the Clinton Administration's hyperapologetic, good-citizen internationalism.
Moreover, it is unseemly, even pathetic, for the would-be leaders of a great power to pine for the pity gleaned on the day America lay bleeding and wounded. This is to carry into foreign policy a pathology of our domestic politics � the glorification of victimhood and the lust for its privileges, such as they are. It is not surprising that having set up at home a spoils system that encourages every ethnic group to claim even greater victimization than the next, the Democrats should lament the fact that we did not seize and institutionalize our collective victimhood of Sept. 11.
The world apparently likes the U.S. when it is on its knees. From that the Democrats deduce a foreign policy � remain on our knees, humble and supplicant, and enjoy the applause and "support" of the world.
This is not just degrading. It is a fool's bargain--3,000 dead for a day's worth of nice words and a few empty U.N. resolutions. The Democrats would forfeit American freedom of action and initiative in order to get back � what? Another nice French editorial? To be retracted as soon as the U.S. stops playing victim?
Sympathy is fine. But if we "squander" it when we go to war to avenge our dead and prevent the next crop of dead, then to hell with sympathy. The fact is that the world hates us for our wealth, our success, our power. They hate us into incoherence. The Europeans, Ajami astutely observes, disdain us for our excessive religiosity (manifest, they imagine, by evolution being expelled from schools while prayer is ushered back in)--while the Arab world despises us as purveyors of secularism. We cannot win for losing. We are widely reviled as enemies of Islam, yet in the 1990s we engaged three times in combat � in the Persian Gulf and in the Balkans � to rescue Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo, Muslim peoples all. And in the last two cases, there was nothing in it for the U.S.; it was humanitarianism and good international citizenship of the highest order.
The search for logic in anti-Americanism is fruitless. It is in the air the world breathes. Its roots are envy and self-loathing � by peoples who, yearning for modernity but having failed at it, find their one satisfaction in despising modernity's great exemplar.
On Sept. 11, they gave it a rest for a day. Big deal.
cyberslam
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 1:59 PM
You silly Leftists just can't get enough of your homo bum sex huh? Cyberslamming is a dance move dumbass, not cybersex. It only happens when I make witty posts in my bedroom - I'm so happy to shit talk you Leftists that I do a bit of a dance in front of the computer. Cyberslamming.
IS THERE HOPE FOR EWAN KENKESMEARSE
by 2BEERS
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 2:51 PM
Ewan, where do you get off saying that I am out there calling people names and not contributing to the intellectual debate? They may not like my politics, they may love my poetry, they may not like my tactics, you may not like my tactics, they may not like me. But through all of that I ahve not (and I challenge anyone to show me differently) engaged in the useless name calling that you are trying to pin on me. I may call someone a less than desiralbe name, but then it is anly in repsonse to someone else assaulting the GREAT AND EXULTED 2BEERS.
For example, in response to your haughty elitist post (and especially after all that I have done for you) I might say that you are an arrogant elitist wannabe wanker girlie man. Or I might say that you are a mealy-mouthed whiner that has some bizarre idea that your own ideas and postings are some importatn that IMC committed unforgiveable sin when they banished you a few months back and you were on that high and mighty first amendment wagon. Or I mihgt say that you are an asshole.
But I never have engaged in the flagrant school yard name calling that you have accused me of. In fact, I am sorely offended by your accusations. And further I demand an apology. If you are any kind of man you will render such apology forthwith. In fact, I have written a haiku about this entire kerfuffle.
Please stop the whining
Better yet stop the lying
You are sorely wrong
Your insults unfair
Ewan must apologize
Or he is a twit
Take that you ninny
Let's all see your etiquette
Elitist douchebag
2Beers serves the truth
2Beers is the better man
And that you can't stand
slamming pud puffers
by the REAL USS Bedsore
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 3:08 PM
That's slam, as in body slam, Ace.
Don't expect me to know what you 7th graders call things, any more than I could understand all that boom boom trash you shake your spines out with while cruising for mangy dogs.
A bit of optimism
by Ms. Tired and slightly-less-Grumpy-now
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 4:10 PM
Ewan Kenkesmearse - Oh, I do know and understand that the debasement of the discussion does happen on both sides, I was merely referring to my own personal experiences with often being immediately attacked and labeled regardless of the fact that I try to keep the dialogue on a sensible level. And I do have to admit that this is a problem IMC has that frustrates me as well, but I'm not willing to give in and stop trying to converse with those people who are willing to discuss things rationally and I encourage people, no matter where they stand, to do the same. Left, Right, Moderate, or undecided, I would like us to all be able to just discuss the issues without falling into the closed-minded simplistic "you're stupid, I'm not; I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. I guess I'm a bit of an optimist, because I keep trying regardless of the results. I look at the IMC through my own interpretation of the theory of "contact zones". This is an often violate contact zone, but I hope that everyone will contribute and have their voices heard. However, it has become difficult to stick to that idealistic view when discussions are being bombarded by people engaging in time wasting name calling sessions, often effectively silencing everyone else involved. Well, I guess it all comes down to the fact that I will NOT be chased away or silenced and I hope you feel the same way.
waste your time on this
by Irving
Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 4:38 PM
I'm enjoying every minute of it.
Though I'd rather lob a few hand grenades, or bars of soap, into the crowds of Communist sympathizers, your Komrades on the judicial benches would jail me. So I use my keyboard to riddle your slimy appeaser bodies with holes.
Next time you aid and comfort the ragheads, keep that image of the victim in mind when marching, you elitist sicko fucks.
To Ms. Tired and ...
by Ewan Kenkesmearse
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 4:57 AM
No need to tell me about being attacked around here. After having been unjustly banished from IMC, I fought hard on the free speech issue here. And it seemed like every time I posted, no matter how well I may have substantiated my assertions, I was ruthlessly and reltentlessly attacked on a very personal level. These attacks even came from members of the IMC editorial collective. So well I do not appreciate or condone the immature level of discourse, I do not believe we should shrink from the discussions. I would continue to encourage the name-callers to bring their discussion to a higher level.
And to 2Beers, I will say that your presentations have been more enlightened and even entertaining, even if I still believe you to be rather rude at times. You 2Beers could be a shining example for the other barstool diplomats on how to raise the level of their own discourse. You use of poetry to deliver your message is, at least, commendable in your willingness to plumb the depths of your repressed inner lout and accept a gentler artistic nature.
sigh
by john
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 8:47 AM
i'm trying to figure out who is dumber:
the trolls who waste their lives yelling at people on imc, or the people who actually take the time to argue with them.
dumber
by me
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 9:26 AM
Hey, John, maybe it's you. Just couldn't help yourself and had to post, right?
.
by john
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 5:57 PM
yep, that's right. now im going to go live my life. have fun with yours.
fun
by me
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 6:27 PM
Just couldn't help yourself, ain't that right, sugah?
I'm an appeaser and proud of it
by USS Gonad Challenged
Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 9:04 PM
Bend me over. You don't even have to give me a reach around....
I'm a great thinker
by Irving 2
Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 1:14 AM
You brain-dead, anal pus leftists can't think for yourself. You should be more like me and post funny pictures that I download from the freep and lgf, while parroting O'Really and Rush.
That's thinking for yourself.
great thinkers
by USS Juvenile
Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 8:44 AM
You can't write beyond a 5th grade level, or spell beyond it either.
I mess up on spelling sometimes, but I try extra hard on the 5 dollar words that go for the kill, know what I mean? (In Hollyweird, it's called the "money shot").
"What a bufoon....
.
by peppy-rpgh
Friday, Nov. 14, 2003 at 5:27 PM
Here is an intelligent rightist comment
"Heil Hitler"
correction
by peppy aide
Friday, Nov. 14, 2003 at 5:55 PM
Actually, it's the Democrats favorite saying. Ask any Kennedy. Or any Socialist.
Actually,
by 2Beers
Friday, Nov. 14, 2003 at 8:54 PM
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